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Wickeds, The (2005)
IMDB rating: 4.80
Plot: It started off as the ultimate way to spend Halloween. Seven teenagers travel to an old, decrepit house, the site of a horror movie set and rumored to be haunted. But when two grave robbers arrive seeking refuge from an army of the living dead, it becomes the ultimate fight for survival.
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Directors: Poague John
Actors: Jeremy Ron,Alvarez Justin,Sikes Bradford,Donoghue Bryan,Miller J. Matthew,Schneider Michael T.,Darder Danny,Boring James,Peacher Gregg,Horror,
UK Under Age Drinking, Why is'nt the law enforced? Why is the penalty so low? Why don't we Enforce like USA?
I have noticed since I came back from the USA after 8 years away that drunken kids on the streets and in the bars in the UK is worse now than it was when I left 8 yrs ago.
What the hell is going on, the Government just are not enforcing their own laws from what I see. Example; I have been in a local Rochdale bar several times on the weekends and on karaoke night, the place was teaming with kids 12-14 yrs old being sick, drinking pints and spirit concoctions, the Landlord said, and I quote, "there is nothing I can do if they have an ID that says they are 18 yrs"
I was in a Wetherspoon Pub in Manchester and one of the staff commented that she knew a cousin of mine, she was a regular in the bar, I was shocked, my cousin is only 15yrs old and still at school, she admitted that she does drink wickeds.
We should follow USA and insist anyone under 30yrs shows picture ID to prove 18yrs old, any shop/bar closed down for 1 month and fined if caught selling to under age. This works well.
I am not saying raise the Legal drinking age to 21yrs, there is no need, just enforce the current laws and add stiff penalties, in USA the licensed premises is closed down for one month if caught selling alcohol to kids. simple and it does work. In some states no matter how old you are you are asked for your picture ID, it’s the law, break the law and you’re closed down. At large bars the Bouncers even check ID before they let you in.
AHWELL, I know he was lying, i used to be a Landlord, my point is, he knows he can get away with it and make money, there is no enforcement. her in the UK
Nico, Poor parenting is an issue but we can’t rely on better parenting to solve this issue, it is too easy for kids to bur booze in bars as the staff and business’s don’t really care or check on ID’s In the last 6 months I have only seen one boy asked for his ID in a bar, that’s ridiculous most people should have their ID checked.
maximus, 24 hour drinking has been a disaster for the UK, more fighting and incidents than ever after midnight, Gordon Brown is looking closely at it right now and may revise the Law
16 yr olds can drink with a meal with adults in a UK Bar/restaurant and I suspect parents allow them to have wine and an odd beer at home yet the problem of Binge drinking still Exists.
There is an ID card in the UK that Kids arry to prove their age. The problem is onbody is checking them when they go into bars to drink, so the underage kids get in as part of a crowd, especially thre girls. License holders are not checking any ID’s, that is the problem.
Badshotcop:
If licensees and their staff were being vigilant, you would see dozens of people having their ID’s checked, this never happens in Manchester, I am in bars in the centre 2-3 times a week at night and I never see anyone being checked. How many 14-20yr olds are in these bars, hundreds, i’ll bet, some are under 18yrs obviously but they look older, they are not being checked it is that simple. If somone looks in that age group 14yrs- 20yrs all of them should be ID checked as some will be under age.
I am amazed, tonight I was In Wetherspoons pub and 5 guys were refused as they had no ID, one of the looked like Harry Pottter, I Kid you not.
The Bar staff (maids) said they get fined one thousand pounds and the Manager on duty gets fined three thousand pounds if they are caught serving under 18’s
Out of 300 - 400 customers only these 5 were asked for ID. ASfter 20 minutes they all came back with their own passports, including Harry Potter and they were all 20 - 25 yrs old so they all got served. I asked them all. including Harry, they said that this was the first time they were asked for ID this year.
Proves my point, staff should be told to ask for ID for anyone under 30yrs, why should they suffer more than the Owners of the Company?
Well drinking like that isn’t bad. They aren’t allowed to drive for a few more years.
But the fact that 12-14 year olds are drinking is just poor parenting. I don’t think it is the government’s problem, just the family’s
Nico | Jul 24, 2007
We have problems here too with that. Don’t see many little kids drinking though like you were saying.
timo_10143 | Jul 24, 2007
I agree, but we don’t have the police resources to do it. That Landlord was lying, he can refuse to serve anyone, without reason.
Ahwell | Jul 24, 2007
I’d say the owners are greedy and turn a blind eye. And I doubt their government puts as much money as ours does into all the campaigns put out for underage drinking and drunk driving. I live in Texas, the state well known for the harshest alcohol laws in the U.S. The bouncers here are able to pick out a fake I.D. easily, and most kids can’t get away with it. Again, I’d say its probably an issue that needs more governmental attention. Then owners found letting kids in with fake I.D.’s would be punished for their negligence.
Sanman | Jul 24, 2007
Because certain corrupt people are in the pay of the drinks industry
DAVID E | Jul 24, 2007
I totally agree with you, the Government is too soft and binge drinking is a MAJOR problem here. I feel there is no hope for this country and its children and I’m going to worry myself stupid when my two boys are teenagers. When I was 15 (in the 80’s!) you may sneak a few drinks at a wedding but there wasn’t the tasty alcopops around like there is now. Beer or wine wasn’t appealing when I was younger. It’s up to the Government to get tough but it’s going to take a long time to sort out.
oohbetty | Jul 24, 2007
i think - the legal limit should be lowered… to something like 15…. get rid of the taboo, get rid of the oh its something you can do when youre older…
it makes it less of a game then.. kids should be taught to drink, shown how to enjoy and that way i think that the world would be a better place… sensible and fun loving!!!
bring it on…. 24 hour drinking and lower the age limit…. then its just like anything else… no BIG DEAL !
Maximus_Decimus_Meridius | Jul 24, 2007
If the kids have ID cards already, what are you asking for?say no to all ID cards
glyntinmyeye | Jul 24, 2007
i agree with poor parenting.but how poor ( at mentality)can follow the rich?j
carolus | Jul 24, 2007
When i was 12 i just got older kids to buy the drink,think "Kids" can be quite resourceful..Feel the US can teach us nothing….Education would be much better…Does din king include stopping knocking back the wine in church?..
Borderline | Jul 25, 2007
The real question is what are you doing about it?Did you report this when you saw it especially if it offended you?All you do is ring the police at the time or if it is a general complaint about certain pubs ring and ask to speak to the licensing officer.
frankturk50 | Jul 25, 2007
Don’t envy the U.S. in this matter. We have the strictest underage drinking laws in the world, and yet we still have the worst problems with underage drinking. This is actually CAUSED by the fact that our state laws absolutely prohibit any consumption of alcohol by any person under 21. It has the unintended and disasterous effect of preventing young adults from learning how to drink responsibly or moderately. Most European countries have legal drinking ages that are much lower than ours (Italy-12, Greece-16, Austria-14, etc.), and some countries even have no minimum drinking age at all (i.e. Spain, Norway, Hungary). And yet it’s incredibly rare to see kids getting drunk there. This is because young people in those societies learn how to drink with parental supervision in proper social environments where beer and wine are traditionally only seen as an accompanyment to food, and are generally well taught not to drink for the sake of getting drunk.
Our legal drinking age of 21 has instead created a new form of Prohibition. Instead of preventing young people from getting drunk and doing stupid things, it just encourages the practice to go underground. Because there are no longer any safe legal socially-approved ways of drinking, kids are being enticed by the now taboo nature of alcohol and drink in places far away from adult supervision where they don’t learn how to do it in proper moderation. And even kids who dutifully stay away from alcohol until they hit the age of 21 will not have learned any responsible drinking habits. So once they’re in college and are no longer under the authority of mommy and daddy, they end up doing dangerous things like binge drinking, a practice that was simply unheard of years ago and didn’t become an issue until the recent 21 year drinking legislation came along.
Basically, having a minimum drinking age to keep young people from getting drunk is like putting a fence around a pond to keep kids from drowning. It’s obvious they’re just going to climb over that fence anyway, so you might as well teach them how to swim.
Logic316 | Jul 25, 2007
What !
The legal system in the UK does not enforce the law full stop , unless there money in it , such as fining drivers
Infact I whould go as far as to say the system is as good as a chocolate fireguard
Stephen A | Jul 25, 2007
I’m interested in your observations of the uk and have frequently observed the Canadian approach by comparison. UK licensing penalties are potentially, very severe.
( Simplified they are ) Under age persons can not legally buy any alcohol for themselves and if caught are liable to a ?1000 ( one thousand ) max fine. Over 18’s selling alcohol to under age persons liable to ?5000 ( five thousand )max fine. People involved as ‘premises licence holders’ or ‘personal licence holders’ ( forms of permits and qualifications to retail alcohol ) can have those licences revoked, and in some cases that means a min. disqualification period of 5 yrs before being able to reapply for a personal licence.
The English police and trading standards offices ( city officials dealing with consumer issues ) have powers to make under cover test purchases using under age would be consumers to test out the managements level of supervision, what you in the States sometimes call ‘entrapment’ but English law says such a process is legal.
There is a very recently introduced ‘3 strikes and your closed ‘ type of action against alcohol vendors that if the venue and or staff are caught selling to under age people the Police can stipulate a short period of compulsory closure so as to hit the trade and will pick a busy time to create the max. loss, and the licensing boards have the power to order temporary closure of venues and off course total revocation of licences. So the penalties are there.
I agree that producing ID in N. America is the norm and in most cases more strictly enforced. ID in the UK is slowly catching on.
Why are we in this situation ? Our newly relaxed licensing laws took over 5 yrs of consultation, and lobbying, forgive me for saying so but you know the power of lobby groups in the US of A, before coming law. During that time and probably just too late the alcohol related problems you see escalated and the Govt. of the day did not have the nerve not to proceed with the new more flexible law changes it had been advocating. England tried to copy the Continental ( French Italian , etc. ) style of social drinking but traditionally lacks the social and extended family life and cohesion to see it become a reality. The Govt’s answer to its critics is that the legal powers of enforcement are in place, it is up to the Police, local councils, and yes ordinary citizens including such as your self to use those remedies, giving evidence where appropriate to the courts and licensing committees. Hope this helps.
Edit 1. Without in any way condoning illegal alcohol consumption by young people it is worth pointing out that it is NOT actually illegal for ‘under age’ person to be present in venues selling alcohol.
Unaccompanied 16yrs and upward may be lawfully in licensed premises provided they don’t buy / drink alcohol.. Unacompanied under 16yrs can even be in licensed premises at times when alcohol is deemed not to be the main activity, eg. perhaps cafe / bars with a big % of food trade, or dancing. They can do this until midnight when they are no longer allowed to remain.
Confusing ? yes. A mess ? yes. Inefective in controlling alcohol abuses ? seems like it. A lot of the blame can be put down to the Tony Blair vision years of a so called brave new, lets be cool, trendy Britain although in fairness, at the time 7 yrs and more ago now, there was a feeling that our old licensing laws, dating back to 1964, were themselves out of date and bureacratic.
on thin ice | Jul 25, 2007
Good on you for raising this issue! I gave you a star. Clearly many of the answerers don’t perceive alcohol as the addictive drug that it is .
I enjoy alcohol in moderation like most people, but think that it should definitely be restricted to adults, and that the laws should be properly enforced.
Zucchinisinbikinis | Jul 26, 2007
Last time I looked we do enforce the drinking rules. Every night i’m out taking beer off underage drinkers. I fined a couple ?80 last week for being disorderly in the street and our local pubs/offlicences are regularly checked by trading standards to ensure compliance with the law.
Last time I looked about 5 clubs/bars in my local city centre had been shut down because they kept serving underage drinkers.
badshotcop | Jul 26, 2007
are YOU telling me you didnt taste or evn drink alcohol before you were 18?
ive bought alcolhol since i was 11 years old, and always kept out of other peoples way, never being involved in trouble.
why you go to be such a nasty peice of work to them?
they dont usually bother anyone anyway, you have a drink every weekend dont you? and before you prejudge me, im 24
steve b | Jul 26, 2007
I’m quite fond of a pint myself and more so when I was under age. However I’m well fed up of the yob culture that has grown up around cheap booze, happy night etc.
Why not embrace the policies of Norway and Sweden. Increase the price of a pint to beyond the means of the underage kids and the local hoodie.
Police time could be spent on proper police work and A&E staff can get on with helping people who need it!
I’m off the soap box now and i’m going for a pint. Cheers.
diamond dog | Jul 27, 2007
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